Curse

Merios · Mar 23, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Alright. Here goes.

I'm now level 20 on my warrior, Obi The Corrupted.

I currently have a Forgotten Sword and a Serrated Shield(bonus item). When I beat Factions, I'm switching to the Exalted Aegis. I do not have Max Armor, but that will be addressed later.

I have a few questions, which may come with paragraphs of explanation.

1. I want to get a Build..
---What I'm going for is a build that will allow me to tank effectively and solo some areas on Normal Mode. Such as, having a high rate of health regeneration and a high armor rating without having to sacrifice too much in the damage department. I'm not looking for an invinciwarrior, but maybe something close. Hopefully someone can include what armor to use, what runes to use, what shield to use, and what attributes I should have.

2. Max Armor..
---I can get it in Factions, but it's not anything special. It's kind of gross looking. I want a set of armor included with the build to show me what would help the best. I'm not to Ascension yet (Being level 20 and now just past the point of killing Hablion. (not positive what town)

3. Is the forgotten sword any good?
---So far, it's done wonders. It's the endgame sword for Nightfall I believe, once you turn in the Book of Secrets.

4. I'm wanting to solo farm some places.
---I'm wondering if there's a decent place to go for Black/White dyes? Other than pre-searing. Also, this is a general question, not just the dyes, just.. Anything worth a few platinum.

5. I have my Dunk, Tahl, and Master of Whispers..
---I have builds that I'm going to post. I want to see if someone can make adjustments/suggestions on them.
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Tahlkora (Mo/E)
410 Health
47 Energy
0 Air
0 Earth
0 Fire
0 Water
0 Healing
0 Smiting
14 Protection Prayers
14 Divine Favor
[skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Shield of Regeneration[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]guardian[/skill][skill]shield of absorption[/skill][skill]rebirth[/skill]
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Dunkoro (Mo/)
375 Health
42 Energy
14 Healing Prayers
0 Smiting
3 Protection Prayers
14 Divine Favor
[skill]light of deliverance[/skill][skill]orison of healing[/skill][skill]words of comfort[/skill][skill]jamei's gaze[/skill][skill]healing whisper[/skill][skill]healing breeze[/skill][skill]mend ailment[/skill][skill]resurrect[/skill]
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Master Of Whispers (N/)
410 Health
45 Energy
6 Blood Magic
14 Death Magic
11 Soul Reaping
0 Curses
[skill]animate flesh golem[/skill][skill]animate bone fiend[/skill][skill]animate vampiric horror[/skill][skill]deathly swarm[/skill][skill]taste of death[/skill][skill]blood of the master[/skill][skill]dark bond[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
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joshuarodger · Mar 23, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

go to pvxwiki.com for a lot of good builds for all sorts of different things. just remember no build works all the time everywhere in the game. as far as armor goes, it doesn't matter what kind you get (unless you're worried about looks) as long as it's a max level. all of the builds at pvxwiki should have attributes and runes and equipment listed which suits the build best.

as far as your heroes go, don't use rebirth on your heroes unless you're doing a duo thing and you know you'll have time to heal before your next encounter. it saps all of the E from them and thus they are unable to heal until they regenerate it. Resurrection Chant is pretty decent i've found. you'll also find that heroes won't use GoLE properly. instead of using it before Aegis and SoR they'll cast one of the other spells first, so try using as few high energy spells as possible. HB is a skill that the AI just spams also. they cast it to death and before you know it your monk is out of E again.

Heroes operate a lot differently than humans and it shows during the game. pvxwiki also has a hero build section so you can get some ideas for that there also.

Lawrence Chang · Mar 23, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

Forgotten Sword is good, but that could be said with all weapons with maxed mods. Sundering is good if you are poor and can't afford different weapon sets. Its pretty good at spiking too. However, it is all based on your build. Use zealous for energy-heavy builds. Vamp if you want the best DPS. Elemental if you plan on using it with a conjure. Furious, imo, is pretty useless. You basically have 10% to get 1 extra shot of adrenaline, FGJ can replace that. Like the post above me said, no one build, well in this case, weapon, work against the whole PvE world. Switch to other weapons/builds against other monsters.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 23, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Merios

and a Serrated Shield(bonus item). When I beat Factions, I'm switching to the Exalted Aegis

No. -5/20% damage reduction mods on shields are utter shit.

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1. I want to get a Build..
---What I'm going for is a build that will allow me to tank effectively and solo some areas on Normal Mode. Such as, having a high rate of health regeneration and a high armor rating without having to sacrifice too much in the damage department. I'm not looking for an invinciwarrior, but maybe something close. Hopefully someone can include what armor to use, what runes to use, what shield to use, and what attributes I should have.

Farming builds and general use builds are entirely different. The farming forum is the one below this one.
General use builds for PvE ought not to bother with defensive shit - a lot of it is really terrible and of absolutely no benefit to the party (essentially, Save yourselves! or GTFO - everything else really is trash, tbh)
A 'good' general PvE build kills stuff, simply put. [skill=text]Flail[/skill] is very good, elite attack skills are also sex.
Tanks are bad for general PvE.
Just follow this template and avoid Healing Prayers and you'll be ok enough...
Elite Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack/Utility
Flail
Utility
Utility
Res

... where utility is stuff that helps you kill better - For Great Justice!, conjure Flame, etc. - disruption skills; or powerful defensive skills ("Save Yourselves!")

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2. Max Armor..
---I can get it in Factions, but it's not anything special. It's kind of gross looking. I want a set of armor included with the build to show me what would help the best. I'm not to Ascension yet (Being level 20 and now just past the point of killing Hablion. (not positive what town)

Looks of armour don't matter, just get what's the least fugliest till you can get 15k (check wiki for pics)
Stats-wise, Brawler insignia are good for general PvE use, or Sentry's (Flail = win, remember?)
You want a vigor run on that, 3 helms - each boosting a different weapon mastery (with a corresponding weapon mastery rune on each), a minor strength rune and maybe minor Tactics. If you can find a reason to use Tactics, that is - I've pretty much given up on it.
Any spare rune slots are good with Vitae or Blind/Cripple reducing runes.

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3. Is the forgotten sword any good?
---So far, it's done wonders. It's the endgame sword for Nightfall I believe, once you turn in the Book of Secrets.

It's pretty baed, tbh.
Sundering sucks hard on swords.

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4. I'm wanting to solo farm some places.
---I'm wondering if there's a decent place to go for Black/White dyes? Other than pre-searing. Also, this is a general question, not just the dyes, just.. Anything worth a few platinum.

Farming forum, or farming builds at PvXwiki.

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5. I have my Dunk, Tahl, and Master of Whispers..
---I have builds that I'm going to post. I want to see if someone can make adjustments/suggestions on them.
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Monks... Pure heal and pure prot isn't too strong, basically. Hybrid monks win.
12+1+1 Healing Prayers
10+1 Protection Prayers
8+1 Divine Favour
(non-minor runes are really shit on monks)
[skill]word of healing[/skill][skill]dwayna's kiss[/skill][skill]aegis[/skill] ... then hex and condition removal, and small prots.
Heroes are pretty bad at protting stuff so I generally disable these and force-cast Protective Spirit and Aegis when needed.

As for the minion master, Flesh Golem is pretty bad.
Heroes make great bombers, though
12+1+3 Death Magic
12+1 Soul Reaping
[skill]jagged bones[/skill][skill]animate bone minions[/skill][skill]death nova[/skill][skill]blood of the master[/skill][skill]signet of lost souls[/skill]

and for the record, I really don't bother with monk heroes.
Hench monks do fine, and there's much, much stronger hero professions - Necros and Paragons rule.
ohh, and generally - resses on monks are baed. If people are dying, you want monks healing, not ressing.

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 23, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Read me.

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Originally Posted by Merios

1. I want to get a Build..
---What I'm going for is a build that will allow me to tank effectively and solo some areas on Normal Mode. Such as, having a high rate of health regeneration and a high armor rating without having to sacrifice too much in the damage department. I'm not looking for an invinciwarrior, but maybe something close. Hopefully someone can include what armor to use, what runes to use, what shield to use, and what attributes I should have.

In GW, tanking is for bad players. Warriors are there to rip stuff apart. There are farming builds in the farming section if you want to do that.

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2. Max Armor..
---I can get it in Factions, but it's not anything special. It's kind of gross looking. I want a set of armor included with the build to show me what would help the best. I'm not to Ascension yet (Being level 20 and now just past the point of killing Hablion. (not positive what town)

Max armor for Warriors is 80AL + 20vs. physical. Once you have a set that does that (from either Kaineng Center, Droknar's Forge, or Consulate Docks), you can put an insignia and a rune on each piece (read the guide on advice).

If you're looking for better looking armors, you'll have to either go looking on other continents (provided you have the campaigns). IMO Factions Warrior armor doesn't looks very good, barring the Kurzick, but even then it isn't very special unless you get the 15k version.

There are armor pics on GuildWiki.

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3. Is the forgotten sword any good?
---So far, it's done wonders. It's the endgame sword for Nightfall I believe, once you turn in the Book of Secrets.

It's good except for the sundering. Sundering is a good mod for weapons with wide damage ranges, such as axes and scythes (i.e, not swords). Vampiric mods are nice (once again, this stuff is in the guide).

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4. I'm wanting to solo farm some places.
---I'm wondering if there's a decent place to go for Black/White dyes? Other than pre-searing. Also, this is a general question, not just the dyes, just.. Anything worth a few platinum.

Afaik, nothing tends to drop black/white dyes more specifically that anything else. I find that its just luck; I've played GW for over 2 years and only had 3 black dyes drop, but some people have has about 10. Look in the farming forum for farming stuff.

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5. I have my Dunk, Tahl, and Master of Whispers..
---I have builds that I'm going to post. I want to see if someone can make adjustments/suggestions on them.

Alex basically covered this, I won't bother to repeat it.

Div · Mar 23, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Your heroes don't even look like they're level 20...that'd be a good start before tweaking everything out.

Merios · Mar 23, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

They're level 20. Trust me. I just have extra points I decided not to put into things that don't follow the build.

Thanks for the help everyone.

Can someone suggest a better shield option than the Exalted Aegis?

Scary Raebbit · Mar 23, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Collector shield with +30 Health and Blind/Cripple or armor against Slash/Fire.

blue.rellik · Mar 23, 2008, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by Merios

1. I want to get a Build..
---What I'm going for is a build that will allow me to tank effectively and solo some areas on Normal Mode. Such as, having a high rate of health regeneration and a high armor rating without having to sacrifice too much in the damage department. I'm not looking for an invinciwarrior, but maybe something close. Hopefully someone can include what armor to use, what runes to use, what shield to use, and what attributes I should have.

Do not tank. Never ever ever ever ever ever tank. Only bad players tank, are you a bad player?

A warrior kills things and leaves the back/midliners to keeping their red bars dropping too quick. You almost never need to bring a heal. Do not bring any healing skills from a monk for normal play unless they are for utility purposes (like purge signet and mending touch). Only bad players do that, are you a bad player?

My warrior's main set of armour is stocked completely with survivor runes, a minor weapon mastery, strength and tactics rune. The last few runes is a rune of clarity and some vitae runes. Because tactics isn't that good then you don't need a tactics rune, replace it with another vitae rune.

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2. Max Armor..
---I can get it in Factions, but it's not anything special. It's kind of gross looking. I want a set of armor included with the build to show me what would help the best. I'm not to Ascension yet (Being level 20 and now just past the point of killing Hablion. (not positive what town)

Until you've finished the game or you have lots of money then you shouldn't worry about getting all the pretty armour first. Just get the armour that has the highest AL you can afford and stick with it until your bank account is big enough for the Ascended armours

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3. Is the forgotten sword any good?
---So far, it's done wonders. It's the endgame sword for Nightfall I believe, once you turn in the Book of Secrets.

It looks good and that's about it. The only mods you want to run with a sword is zealous, vampiric and a elemental, sundering on a sword is bad. If anyone says sundering + sword is good then they are bad players and their opinion is worthless.

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4. I'm wanting to solo farm some places.
---I'm wondering if there's a decent place to go for Black/White dyes? Other than pre-searing. Also, this is a general question, not just the dyes, just.. Anything worth a few platinum.

Warriors don't have many HM farms, however they can still farm both in the FoW (for obsidian shards) and UW (for globs of ectoplasms).

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5. I have my Dunk, Tahl, and Master of Whispers..
---I have builds that I'm going to post. I want to see if someone can make adjustments/suggestions on them.

You almost never need monk heroes, I never use them except for quests.

Chthon · Mar 23, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

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Originally Posted by Merios

1. I want to get a Build..
---What I'm going for is a build that will allow me to tank effectively and solo some areas on Normal Mode.

Warriors still tank, but not the way they used to. Instead of soaking up hits with your face, you should be using your lungs. Search around for the W/P "godmode" build. You're still mitigating damage for your team, but this way is more idiot-proof and allows you to deal hefty damage too. If you want to make it more self-sufficient (and a little better and not getting kited) at the cost of slightly lower damage, swap Enraging-Charge + Flail for Lion's Comfort + Drunken Master.

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2. Max Armor..
---I can get it in Factions, but it's not anything special. It's kind of gross looking.

Get the ugly armor. Get pretty armor later. The stats are the same. Wiki is your friend for picking out pretty armor.

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3. Is the forgotten sword any good?

Not really. Sundering sucks on everything, and sucks double on swords.

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4. I'm wanting to solo farm some places.
---I'm wondering if there's a decent place to go for Black/White dyes?

Warriors aren't ideal solo farmers. Check the farming forum for farm spots and builds. If you want dyes, I find HM raptors to be a good bet.

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5. I have my Dunk, Tahl, and Master of Whispers..
---I have builds that I'm going to post. I want to see if someone can make adjustments/suggestions on them.

Minion Bomber Hero:
[skill]Jagged Bones[/skill][skill]Death Nova[/skill]

[skill]Infuse Condition[/skill][skill]Taste of Death[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Minions[/skill][skill]Well of Suffering[/skill][skill]Death Pact Signet[/skill]

Curse Necro Hero:
[skill]enfeebling blood[/skill][skill]spiteful spirit[/skill][skill]reckless haste[/skill][skill]mark of pain[/skill][skill]barbs[/skill][skill]weaken armor[/skill][skill]rip enchantment[/skill][skill]death pact signet[/skill]

Monk heroes:
Rather than give you two builds, I'm going to give you two builds' worth of skills and you can hybridize them out however you see fit.

Both heroes should have [skill]Word of Healing[/skill]+[skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill] OR [skill]Ethereal Light[/skill]+[skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill]+[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill].
One hero should have [skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill]
Both heroes should have [skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill]+
One hero should have [skill]Heal Party[/skill] (+[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]).
Both heroes should have [skill]Aegis[/skill].
At least one hero should have [skill]protective spirit[/skill], and both is really preferred. ([skill]Spirit Bond[/skill] can replace the second copy if you like.)
[skill]shield of absorption[/skill] and [skill]guardian[/skill] are good if you can fit them in somewhere.
[skill]reversal of fortune[/skill] is not an option because heroes can't use it worth beans (and it's highly overrated anyway.)
[skill]Resurrection chant[/skill] (+[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]) deserves consideration, even if you don't like rez on monks, because these are heroes.
[skill]Glyph of lesser energy[/skill] can mitigate energy costs if you end up with too many 10e spells on one bar.

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 23, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Warriors still tank, but not the way they used to. Instead of soaking up hits with your face, you should be using your lungs. Search around for the W/P "godmode" build. You're still mitigating damage for your team, but this way is more idiot-proof and allows you to deal hefty damage too.

This isn't tanking, it's abusive utility.

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Not really. Sundering sucks on everything, and sucks double on swords.

Sundering doesn't suck on everything, just weapons with low damage ranges (swords and daggers). You might want to take a look at how good sundering is before you tell people how bad it is.

Merios · Mar 24, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

The bad thing about those builds, is the fact that I have every game *Except* Eye of the North, which seems to have the most skills on that list that you posted.

Also, can a sword have Vampiric, Zealous, and still have Elemental damage?
(FDS/IDS with Vampiric/Zealous?)

Draginvry · Mar 24, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

You might want to take a look at how good sundering is before you tell people how bad it is.

Sundering can be really usefull for certain builds. It can also be really usefull for scythes *drools*

Luminarus · Mar 24, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Sundering is rarely useful, and when it is, vampiric is usually better.

The only skills posted you cant take is cure hex and foul feast. otherwise you're fine.

NEVER use anything bigger then a minor on a monk hero, not worth it... especially not 2 majors (which is what i assumed from you're monks 410hp.)

Shield wise, you want either -2stance (which you should be in 99% of the time) +30/+45stance or +30/+10vs fire/slashing etc or -blind 20%.

Weapon wise sword is fine, but sundering is pretty crappy. Go furious if you dont want to have to weapon swap, or go zealous/vampiric if you are fine with swapping round.

Both LoD & SoR are pretty shoddy options, bring out WoH, or Healers Boon. Prot Spirit + Aegis are also great.

Go to kaineng and get max armor, itll make everything alot easier because damage will be greatly reduced. Also go get r1 luxon/kurzick title and get save yourselves. Why tank when you're allies have 160+ armor.

Solo farming, try elementals HM near ascalon, dunno how they work never done it but its supposedly aright. Also W/Rt Ecto farming, or W/? in fow works.

Resurect & Rebirth suck on monk heroes, res chant is great. Also dismiss is the best condition removal unless theres a draw or rc.

Give you're necro a sup death to get to 10 minions. Drop all the minion summoning spells and bring [skill]Animate Bone Minions[/skill], and [skill]Jagged Bones[/skill] &[skill]Death Nova[/skill]. Then with the rest of the skills bring utility of some sort.

If you have dunk and tahlk, you should also have other heroes. Consider some of them because monk henchies are usually aright, but heroes that damage are better. So either take 1 monk hero or none and bring lots of damage from heroes. Eles are alright, but get Olias and bring an SS along (mark of pain and barbs on the bar) which works well with minons & warrior.

I think this just about covers it.

blue.rellik · Mar 24, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

The purpose of sundering is to use it for the spike potential it brings

Chthon · Mar 24, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

This isn't tanking, it's abusive utility.

That's wholly semantic. The point is your build is still primarily dedicated to mitigating damage that your party would otherwise take, but you're using a different mechanism to achieve that goal. What name you attach to it is irrelevant.

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Sundering doesn't suck on everything, just weapons with low damage ranges (swords and daggers). You might want to take a look at how good sundering is before you tell people how bad it is.

I have looked into it, and sundering just sucks, on everything.
1. Regardless of weapon type, sundering always does less damage than vampiric over the long term. ALWAYS.
2. Even over a short-term spike attempt, sundering almost always does less damage than vampiric. You pretty much need to get exceptionally lucky with triggering sundering on a critical hit or triggering sundering twice in three hits in order to beat vampiric even over 3 hits.
3. Even if the possibility of a really good, really rare spike made sundering worthwhile in PvP (which it doesn't), that wouldn't translate to PvE. PvE is about long-term sustainable damage against a near-endless stream of foes, not spiking out 8 guys and collecting your fame. Moreover, your crit chance goes to shit against monsters that are 4-10 levels higher than you, so your sunder-crit chance pretty much disappears altogether. Vampiric is simply better.

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Originally Posted by Merios

Also, can a sword have Vampiric, Zealous, and still have Elemental damage?
(FDS/IDS with Vampiric/Zealous?)

No, but you can weapon swap. Keep the elemental sword on F1 and the vampiric sword on F2 (and a different elemental sword on F3 and a longbow/flatbow on F4).
Btw: Many PvE monsters have a particular elemental weakness, so you may be able to do more damage than vampiric by switching to the right element. (Of course, you if you have a curse necro giving you Barbs/MoP to trigger, you're better off using the vampiric since it counts as physical damage.)

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Sundering is rarely useful, and when it is, vampiric is usually better.

I'd go so far as to say "always better."

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The only skills posted you cant take is cure hex and foul feast. otherwise you're fine.

Correct. Replace Foul Feast with Draw Condition. Replace Cure Hex with any old hex removal.

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Shield wise, you want either -2stance (which you should be in 99% of the time) +30/+45stance or +30/+10vs fire/slashing etc or -blind 20%.

For PvE -2stance is pretty golden (assuming you're keeping the stance up continuously). "10AL vs X" shields (1) take up a lot of storage space, (2) are tedious and annoying to constantly swap, and (3) fall totally flat against mixed mobs. The only "10AL vs X" shield that I'd even consider would be 10AL vs Slashing. (And maybe 10AL vs Fire for the EotN Charr.)

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If you have dunk and tahlk, you should also have other heroes. Consider some of them because monk henchies are usually aright, but heroes that damage are better. So either take 1 monk hero or none and bring lots of damage from heroes. Eles are alright, but get Olias and bring an SS along (mark of pain and barbs on the bar) which works well with minons & warrior.

Agreed. Your monk hero may be twice as good as the monk hench, but a good offensive hero can be like fifty times better than the offensive hench. I'd seriously glue a minion bomber hero and a curse hero to your warrior and only change them on very rare occasions.[/QUOTE]

Savio · Mar 24, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by Chthon

1. Regardless of weapon type, sundering always does less damage than vampiric over the long term. ALWAYS.

Nobody uses sundering for DPS.

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For PvE -2stance is pretty golden (assuming you're keeping the stance up continuously). "10AL vs X" shields (1) take up a lot of storage space, (2) are tedious and annoying to constantly swap, and (3) fall totally flat against mixed mobs. The only "10AL vs X" shield that I'd even consider would be 10AL vs Slashing. (And maybe 10AL vs Fire for the EotN Charr.)

You only have 1 or 2 significant damage types in an area you're worried about; toss the others in storage if you're that worried about 5 item slots.

Div · Mar 24, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Merios

They're level 20. Trust me. I just have extra points I decided not to put into things that don't follow the build.

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Originally Posted by Merios

Dunkoro (Mo/)
375 Health
42 Energy
14 Healing Prayers
0 Smiting
3 Protection Prayers
14 Divine Favor

Um. Are you sure you're spending all your attribute points? Because that'd be a good start. You can get that spread with a minor healing and a major divine. Which means without any +health runes or weapons, Dunkoro should have 480-35=445 health.

Anime Divine · Mar 25, 2008, 10:22 AM // 10:22

somebody please make a thread how to make my warrior rich

or mayby there is some buried here. anways get max armor no matter how bad it looks u can always make it look good with dyes.

and uhm y u want to farm dyes. in my whole 8 months of gw playing ive never farmed dyes and mayby got like 5 or 6 black dyes not even a white. and still got pretty looking armor/sword and shield

i suggest finish the game no better yet buy al games.. finish all games. unlock all important farming skills make a build for farming. and i suggest ecto farming. it was good money for me and im sure it will be a good start for you.